2008 Audi A6 3.2, Feels Like the Car Is Starting in Second Gear UPDATED

2008 Audi A6 3.2, Feels Like the Car Is Starting in Second Gear

07-30-201007:52 PM #1

Senior Member Two Rings

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Tiptronic - second to 3rd gear shift rough

In my B6 Avant - when changing gears (in motorcar) the 2nd to third gear shift stumbles or feels like the motor is moving (not smooth).
This mainly simply happens when under steady acceleration - or atleast that is when I find it.

My question is this:

Has anyone had this consequence and what stock-still the trouble - my guess?
A. Manual mountain / motor mount
B. Need to flush the transmission

Cheers in advance!

A4 Avant 1.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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07-30-201011:29 PM #3

Veteran Fellow member Four Rings

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Can you explain this feeling farther?

I have a tip every bit well and find that the 2-3 shift feels kind of lousy in "D". Specifically, the lock-upward of the torque converter happens soon afterward the shift and is kind of abrupt. The lock-up is quite noticeable well-nigh every time, but is worse when it is cold. It almost feels like the automobile shifts twice in succession. Offset ane soft, and the side by side i more firm. Very annoying. Most noticeable under moderate, steady accleration. Driving super hard or super soft makes information technology shift differently. My fix is to bulldoze it in Tip way. In that manner the logic for locking the torque converter seems to be quite different such that it locks even sooner after the shift and is much less noticeable. Shifting in every gear simply feels better and more than together. Much more than enjoyable, specially with a flake.

Do y'all detect the problem is less or gone in Tip style?

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07-31-201005:xxx AM #4

Senior Fellow member Two Rings

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Yes of course - and you seem to have the Verbal same issue as I!!!

It almost feels like the motorcar shifts twice in succession. First one soft, and the next one more firm. EXACTLY WHAT I EXPERIENCE IN THE SHIFT FROM 2d to tertiary.

Virtually noticeable under moderate, steady accleration. Aforementioned for me

Driving super difficult or super soft makes information technology shift differently. My fix is to drive it in Tip style. In that manner the logic for locking the torque converter seems to be quite different such that it locks even sooner after the shift and is much less noticeable. Shifting in every gear but feels meliorate and more together. Much more enjoyable, specially with a chip.

Practise you observe the problem is less or gone in Tip fashion?

Aforementioned FOR ME - TIP mode shifts like a dream

At present I know I am not crazy.. :) - now to figure out what is wrong with her: she just has 63K on her

Maybe Diagnosticator has seen this? Someonw put upwards the Diagnosticator signal!

A4 Avant i.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi i.8T 2002

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07-31-201005:35 AM #five

Senior Member Ii Rings

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Ane other thing to add together - it might exist happening in the other gears - but if it does I can never detect information technology... ALLWAYS in D, steady acceleration and from 2nd to 3rd.

Simply an odd problem... and annoying - I don't need to drib 5K on a tranny right at present - or a transmission for my wifes car :)

A4 Avant 1.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi ane.8T 2002

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07-31-201007:40 AM #vi

Veteran Member Four Rings

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Haha, shameless plug, only in the event you gentleman need a Tiptronic replacement, I have mine available.

Only with the mileage that I have put on my tiptronic previously, I never had rough shifts, simply that can be partially due to new fluid changes and the TIP chip that I had.

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07-31-201009:25 AM #vii

Registered User 4 Rings

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That extra little 'shift' you guys are feeling is the torque converter locking...perfectly normal.

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07-31-201009:30 AM #viii

Veteran Member Four Rings

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Yeah. The merely affair I don't like is when shifting into reverse when the automobile is cold, it only kinda slams into R. And sometimes when I'm coming to a stop and I'm in tip style I downshift into 1 it slams into 1, but rarely it does this.

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07-31-201010:34 AM #9

Senior Member Three Rings

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omfg I experience that likewise. I thought i was crazy. It nearly feels like there is an actress gear shift between 2nd and 3rd. It feels much better now that I know it's the torque converter locking...

sad for my ignorance, only why does the torque converter locks exactly? And why between second and 3rd?

vorsprung durch technik

2004 Audi A4 1.8T USP quattro TIP

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07-31-201010:44 AM #10

Veteran Member Four Rings

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this is normal, when you starting time feeling the shifts and experience that your car shifts similar a muscle car then u accept a trouble. The actress shift as stated above is the T/C locking upwards and it is completely normal. The programming for these transmissions sucks from the factory so this is the end result.

-Kirk
AZ'southward First 2.0 Stroker 3076R Powered Tiptronic B6 Built by RavenMS. Powered past PSI Concepts & GIAC

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07-31-201002:47 PM #xi

Veteran Member Four Rings

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I've seen this "noticeable TC lockup from 2-3" in other Audi's as well. C5 A6 and B5 2.eight, etc. Even a C4 100. I still think my auto is a piddling worse than almost, but information technology is normal. The fact that it shifts perfect in Tip way backs upward what AudiA4Turbo22 said: information technology is just lousy programming of the TC lockup in that gear.

I have get very practiced at noticing the lockup and I can say that this lousy lock-upwardly timing *does* happen in other gears. I notice it in the one-2 shift and 3-4 shift as well, though not nigh every bit much and not nearly as oftentimes. I take go quite satisfied with Tiptronic mode. It seems to keep the Torque Converter locked sooner and much more ofttimes. This eliminates a lot of the slushbox, rubber ring feeling of the automated. This is by pattern to make Tip mode feel more "sporty". Locking the ratio makes it feel a *trivial* more like a manual.

I think a lot of these complaints are due to the fact that this tranny locks the converter in 2,3,4,and 5. Near transmissions only lock-up in the terminal gear or the last two gears. Locking in every gear except 1st gives us a much more "busy" tranny with the ratio irresolute a bit more than other cars. All of this, I presume, is to enable the Tiptronic mode which relies on this lockup for its "sporty" feel.

Lately I've noticed another anomaly, this fourth dimension in relation to the TIP mode. In 3rd gear, slowing for the corner and I don't downshift to ii, merely leave it be. With the revs going down to around 1200 or lower, when i let off the restriction and hit the gas the TC is unlocked. The revs become way up and then the TC locks very abruptly, most slamming in. I find this *almost* every fourth dimension I'm in tip and deadening for a corner, then get back on the gas aggressively. The revs "flare" then the TC locks in. Also seems like lousy programming to me. I'd much rather it downshift to 2nd, and so merely unlock the converter and re-lock under acceleration. Anybody else notice this?

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08-01-201002:31 PM #12

Senior Member 2 Rings

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Originally Posted past walky_talky20

Lately I've noticed another anomaly, this time in relation to the TIP mode. In 3rd gear, slowing for the corner and I don't downshift to 2, simply leave it be. With the revs going down to around 1200 or lower, when i let off the brake and striking the gas the TC is unlocked. The revs go manner upwardly and so the TC locks very abruptly, almost slamming in. I find this *about* every time I'm in tip and slow for a corner, then get back on the gas aggressively. The revs "flare" and then the TC locks in. Also seems like lousy programming to me. I'd much rather it downshift to 2d, and so merely unlock the converter and re-lock under acceleration. Anybody else notice this?

Fortunatly - or unfortunatly - I practice not seem to have this result... ALSO - Update - I noticed 1 of my tires was depression... Checked it and for sure it was. Besides checked the others - Usually run about 32PSI with my Pilots - pumped them all upwards and it seems this event is gone. Shifts similar a champ. Then I wonder if there was just enough drag causing the transmission / sensors to non allow the transmission to shift properly. The one tire was downwards to 25PSI then almost 10lbs off.

Cheers Everyone for the input!

A4 Avant 1.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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08-01-201005:51 PM #13

Veteran Member Iv Rings

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The TC locks up after the 1>ii shift, not the two>3 shift, in D. In Tip mode, the TC stays locked as much as possible, where as in D, the TC has some programmed slip at certain times.

If any of you who are having bug with the shift quality, and have not changed the AFT and filter, do that as soon every bit possible. It volition take two drain and refills to remove well-nigh of the old fluid for new. Don't accept the trans "flushed", just drain and remove pan, replace filter and then refill. Briefy starting time the engine for three>four seconds, several times, to get equally much erstwhile fluid out of the trans while draining. seven to 8 liters of new fluid volition be needed for refill, and a VAG-COM. I also recommend using only Pentosin ATF-1 100% synthetic trans fluid. My trans shifts a lot better with the ATF-1 compared to the OEM fluid. The AFT-ane is also on the ZF approved fluids list. Afterward changing the fluid the first/second time, just drain and refill at ~40K miles maintenance intervals.

Last edited past diagnosticator; 08-01-2010 at 05:58 PM.

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08-01-201006:23 PM #14

Veteran Member Four Rings

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Originally Posted by diagnosticator

The TC locks up subsequently the 1>2 shift, not the 2>three shift, in D. In Tip mode, the TC stays locked as much as possible, where as in D, the TC has some programmed slip at certain times.

If any of yous who are having issues with the shift quality, and take not changed the AFT and filter, practise that as presently as possible. It will take two drain and refills to remove most of the old fluid for new. Don't have the trans "flushed", just drain and remove pan, replace filter and then refill. Briefy start the engine for iii>4 seconds, several times, to become as much quondam fluid out of the trans while draining. 7 to eight liters of new fluid will be needed for refill, and a VAG-COM. I likewise recommend using only Pentosin ATF-i 100% synthetic trans fluid. My trans shifts a lot better with the ATF-1 compared to the OEM fluid. The AFT-ane is besides on the ZF approved fluids list. After changing the fluid the outset/second fourth dimension, merely drain and refill at ~40K miles maintenance intervals.

exactly what I utilize Pentosin.

-Kirk
AZ's First 2.0 Stroker 3076R Powered Tiptronic B6 Congenital by RavenMS. Powered past PSI Concepts & GIAC

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08-02-201011:05 AM #fifteen

Senior Member 2 Rings

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Originally Posted by diagnosticator

Don't have the trans "flushed"

My Wife says I am only like a rock - and yous may too - merely why not allow the "machine" to practise the work for you? I thought the idea was to go all of the fluid out of the TC and T-cooler? I have a local company which has a BG unit and they use BG products... any problems wiith that?

thanks,
Joe

A4 Avant 1.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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08-02-201005:21 PM #16

Senior Member Two Rings

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bump cuz she wuz at da bottom...

A4 Avant i.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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08-03-201009:37 AM #17

Veteran Member Four Rings

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I been driving in Tip Tronic style for almost a yr at present, but afterwards reading the thread I went ahead and tried the auto under D.

Hard acceleration under "D", racing style: No issues, everything smooth from 1 > two > three > 4

Normal driving nether "D", below 3000 RPM: No issues, 1 > 2 > three > 4. There was some weird RPM driblet from 2nd to 3rd gear, I believe its due to the programming of the tranny, but it was still polish no thing how you look at it.

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08-04-201011:00 AM #18

Senior Member Two Rings

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Originally Posted by jackyaudi

In that location was some weird RPM drop from 2nd to 3rd gear, I believe its due to the programming of the tranny, merely information technology was withal smooth no matter how y'all look at it.

This is exactly what I get - it is smoooth for certain - and did non know the torque converter would lock similar this - seems everyone is saying the same thing. Either we have many transmissions that are nigh to fail or it is normal...

A4 Avant 1.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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08-04-201001:57 PM #19

Veteran Fellow member Four Rings

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Originally Posted by Joesturbo

This is exactly what I go - it is smoooth for sure - and did not know the torque converter would lock like this - seems everyone is saying the same thing. Either we have many transmissions that are about to fail or it is normal...

I e'er drive in TipTronic fashion, considering the programming in D is lame, and inefficient. You could be stuck at 2000 RPM in 4th gear for a long fourth dimension before it downshifts going up on a hill for example.

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08-04-201007:53 PM #20

Senior Member Three Rings

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jackyaudi, that weird RPM drop is the torque converter locking from what I understand from this thread. It seems to be less noticeable in tip manner. I mostly drive in tip manner too.

I think D style is gay I think it shifts at too high RPMs sometimes and sometimes information technology takes besides long to downshift.

vorsprung durch technik

2004 Audi A4 1.8T USP quattro TIP

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08-04-201007:54 PM #21

Registered User Iv Rings

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Originally Posted by diplomat128

I remember D fashion is gay I think it shifts at too high RPMs sometimes and sometimes it takes also long to downshift.

Interesting. I've always experience D way shifting too EARLY and bogging the motorcar.

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08-06-201007:58 PM #22

Senior Fellow member Two Rings

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Originally Posted by greg@podi.ca

Interesting. I've ever feel D mode shifting also Early on and bogging the automobile.

me 2 - 1st seems ok - merely after that it goes into the other gears quickly... anyway -can anyone answer my question about the flushing via machine? Why is it bad?

cheers,
Joe

A4 Avant one.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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08-06-201008:28 PM #23

Veteran Member Four Rings

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Go your fluid inverse. I but had mine done and it never has been smoother.

� Steve

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08-17-201006:55 PM #24

Established Member Ii Rings

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pitiful to revive quondam thread - is information technology necessary to change fluid presently afterwards the initial modify? I ended upwardly using about 7-8 quarts of fluid but have yet to go full throttle b/c Im paranoid to exercise just withal. On tertiary week or so since change and was curious if others inverse out simply the fluid to ensure all old fluid is out.

TIA

2005 Audi A4 1.8TQ Tiptronic, APR Phase 2+ west/ shit tons of mods. AZ wouldn't allow me listing everything...

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08-17-201008:17 PM #25

Senior Member Two Rings

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I have non changed out my fluid= but keeping an eye on the shifting patern more. I think it might need to be washed, but at 64K I volition wait until I tin can tell if it is the transmission or non for certain.

A4 Avant 1.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi ane.8T 2002

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08-17-201009:28 PM #26

Veteran Member 4 Rings

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Originally Posted past Zaloo

sorry to revive old thread - is it necessary to change fluid before long after the initial alter? I ended up using about 7-8 quarts of fluid but have all the same to go total throttle b/c Im paranoid to practice simply nonetheless. On 3rd calendar week or and then since change and was curious if others changed out just the fluid to ensure all old fluid is out.

TIA

No you don't have to exercise annihilation more. The near common procedure is just a drain and refill (once), every 40-60k. That schedule is suitable for nigh normal driving. If y'all are dragging the machine every weekend, that's a different story.

Tranny "flushes", or othewise "getting all the old fluid out" is somewhat controversial. There is a belief that older, worn clutches will offset having problems if you lot accept abroad in that location old used fluid and make full 100% with new fluid. It is less of a shock to the system if yous just drain out what you can, and refill it. Also, there is a fear that a tranny affluent machine will stir up all the collected crap inside the tranny and can clog passages, solenoids, etc. That is why many people prefer to simply drain and refill, if the tranny is working fine. At that place is less chance of creating whatsoever problems that mode. No need to "stir the pot" every bit they say. Some mechanics even believe that after a sure point of fail, the tranny fluid should *not* be serviced. If it has 300k miles, the fluid is blackness equally tar, but information technology is yet working (miraculously) it may be best to but exit it alone. That logic more often than not applies to very extreme cases, though.

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09-12-201002:00 PM #27

Veteran Member Three Rings

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Oh nice, I'm glad that the 2nd to 3rd manual switch is somewhat normal. Something I don't like though is if I'thou coming upward on a downhill slope, and I demand to reverse, the car would roll forward a bit and and then jerk when I accelarate back. Information technology still drives fine, and that rarely happens when I have opposite on a gradient, but the jerk feels like the manual is near to blow up.

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09-13-201011:02 AM #28

Established Member Two Rings

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Yes same hither.. I take tip with 106k miles on it, and it seems like it shifts twice in second gear nether a normal load. Drive it harder seems fine. So its kinda good to run into this post and like someone said, we all going to be fine or cease up with a shit load of messed upwards tranny postal service.. lol

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09-xiii-2010xi:12 AM #29

Veteran Fellow member 4 Rings

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i was wondering if my TQ converter is property up so well because i do not drive the auto in D or S at all (only in manual fashion) so the TQ converter is not slipping / wearing out every bit fast?

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02-26-201106:40 AM #30

Senior Member Two Rings

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Ya no doubt.... but wanted to postal service this for historical perspective info...

I did change the front mount with the ECS poly mount and changed the fluid. Indeed it is MUCH smoooooother now. Still has a ii stage transition simply it is non nearly as hard. It actually feels like new again.

A4 Avant ane.8T 2004, VW Corrado G60 1991, VW GTi 1.8T 2002

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11-19-201411:43 AM #32

Senior Member Three Rings

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Any of you guys experience a binding outcome in tip way. I go upwards to a stop and it feels like it's in reverse and 1st and the same time? Doesn't movement temporary.

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11-19-201411:44 AM #33

Senior Fellow member Three Rings

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Likewise, I feel this "2 shift feeling" merely when car is downshifting when coasting in tip and D style.

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12-thirty-2015ten:00 AM #34

Veteran Member Three Rings

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Originally Posted past walky_talky20

Can you explain this feeling further?

I have a tip equally well and notice that the 2-3 shift feels kind of lousy in "D". Specifically, the lock-up of the torque converter happens soon afterward the shift and is kind of abrupt. The lock-up is quite noticeable virtually every fourth dimension, only is worse when it is cold. It most feels like the automobile shifts twice in succession. First ane soft, and the next one more firm. Very annoying. Most noticeable under moderate, steady accleration. Driving super hard or super soft makes information technology shift differently. My fix is to bulldoze information technology in Tip mode. In that mode the logic for locking the torque converter seems to be quite unlike such that it locks even sooner after the shift and is much less noticeable. Shifting in every gear just feels improve and more than together. Much more than enjoyable, especially with a chip.

Do you find the problem is less or gone in Tip mode?

Originally Posted by walky_talky20

I've seen this "noticeable TC lockup from 2-3" in other Audi'due south too. C5 A6 and B5 2.8, etc. Even a C4 100. I even so recall my automobile is a footling worse than most, but it is normal. The fact that it shifts perfect in Tip mode backs up what AudiA4Turbo22 said: it is just lousy programming of the TC lockup in that gear.

I have become very adept at noticing the lockup and I can say that this lousy lock-up timing *does* happen in other gears. I discover it in the 1-2 shift and 3-4 shift as well, though not nearly as much and not most as often. I have become quite satisfied with Tiptronic mode. Information technology seems to go along the Torque Converter locked sooner and much more oft. This eliminates a lot of the slushbox, rubber band feeling of the automatic. This is by blueprint to make Tip mode feel more "sporty". Locking the ratio makes it feel a *little* more like a manual.

I call up a lot of these complaints are due to the fact that this tranny locks the converter in 2,three,4,and 5. Most transmissions only lock-up in the last gear or the last 2 gears. Locking in every gear except 1st gives us a much more "busy" tranny with the ratio changing a bit more than other cars. All of this, I presume, is to enable the Tiptronic style which relies on this lockup for its "sporty" feel.

Lately I've noticed another anomaly, this time in relation to the TIP way. In 3rd gear, slowing for the corner and I don't downshift to ii, just leave it exist. With the revs going down to around 1200 or lower, when i let off the brake and hitting the gas the TC is unlocked. The revs go style up and then the TC locks very abruptly, about slamming in. I notice this *virtually* every time I'm in tip and boring for a corner, then become back on the gas aggressively. The revs "flare" so the TC locks in. Also seems like lousy programming to me. I'd much rather it downshift to second, so merely unlock the converter and re-lock under acceleration. Everyone else observe this?

Searched quite a scrap looking for answers on what the cause of this harsh shift feeling in only third gear could be. This thread and specifically these comments most accurately describe the symptoms that I just started to experience.

The motorcar shifts with no issues from 1st to 2d and from 2nd to 3rd. Once in third the car starts to accelerate with no issues and then all suddenly the revs spring up and so engages again in a pretty harsh manner. Later on this happens the car continues to advance with no issue while in 3rd gear and through out the rest of the gears.

Whatsoever suggestions on what the cause could be and/or what a possible solution could be to help convalesce this hard shift would be much appreciated.

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12-31-201503:30 AM #35

Veteran Member 4 Rings

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^^Change the ATF and filter. Pentosin ATF-1 is recommended fluid.

For anyone that has issues with how the stock trans shift strategy works in D, try recoding the TCU with the lawmaking: 0010iii, this coding value disables the "Dynamic Shift Program", adaptive shift strategy, and enables a stock-still shift strategy instead of a variable shift indicate scheme. The stock coding is 001002.

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12-31-201506:44 AM #36

Veteran Member Four Rings

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On a side notation, if you live somewhere where it gets cold enough that the SAI pump doesn't run at showtime upwardly for example, you might also find the torque converter "bump" disappears for the start little bit you lot are driving. For myself, in the wintertime, I can drive off Granny like and not feel the torque converter bump until 5th gear, and not until things have warmed up a bit. Warmer temps, aforementioned usual 2nd and less oftentimes 3rd bump feeling returns.

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12-31-201503:17 PM #37

Veteran Member Three Rings

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Originally Posted by diagnosticator

^^Change the ATF and filter. Pentosin ATF-i is recommended fluid.

For anyone that has issues with how the stock trans shift strategy works in D, try recoding the TCU with the code: 001012, this coding value disables the "Dynamic Shift Program", adaptive shift strategy, and enables a fixed shift strategy instead of a variable shift point scheme. The stock coding is 001002.

Cheers, checked the fluid it was depression, very low. Made sure the trans was warm and filled it up. So far it has only fabricated a hard shift while in third 2 times out of a quick 6 mile bulldoze. Volition practise a consummate fluid and filter change equally presently equally I can.

Originally Posted past MacFady

On a side note, if you alive somewhere where information technology gets common cold enough that the SAI pump doesn't run at first upward for example, you might also notice the torque converter "bump" disappears for the showtime niggling scrap you are driving. For myself, in the winter, I can drive off Granny like and not experience the torque converter bump until 5th gear, and not until things take warmed up a chip. Warmer temps, aforementioned usual 2nd and less frequently 3rd bump feeling returns.

Cheers, I'll keep this in listen next time I go for a drive. It does become fairly common cold hither during the winter, but it's only been about thirty degrees.

01.5 A4 1.8t Quattro Tip
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